Tour of Prophecy Interview with Dr. David Jeremiah & Sheila Walsh

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dr. jeremiah we’re here on your set of a tour of prophecy let me ask you first of all where did your interest your passion to understand prophecy begin she I grew up in a pastor’s home and my dad who loved the Word of God every year when I was growing up we would have what they called evangelistic campaigns and sometimes they called him revivals but they would bring people in from the outside and almost every one of these people who came would have one night devoted to prophecy I remember a man by the name of John Carrara who he used to come to our church every year and every time he came on Friday night it was prophecy night and he would spell bind us with what God had planned for us in the future Jack Van Impe was another one who came and he would do the same thing and then of course God allowed me to go to Dallas Theological Seminary where I said under the teaching of Dwight Pentecost and John Wofford and the people who really have championed that cause and I realized this is something I want to learn more about and one of the first books I taught when I came to San Diego was Daniel and when I got done with Daniel I taught revelation wow that’s quite an undertaking and they changed my life both of those books because they set the tone for what’s happening and what’s going to happen why do you think it’s so important for people to understand prophecy because you have this passion and you’ve studied and you’ve written about it and you’ve had so many sermons but why do you think it’s important for people to understand well it’s a very important question because a lot of people say oh I don’t want to study that that’s so irrelevant I remember one time being on an airplane and I had my study notes spread out on the pulldown table and the the plane hadn’t left when I was two kind of getting a head start a pastor friend of mine I won’t tell you who it was came in and he said what are you doing I said I’m studying revelation I’m preaching on this and he goes you’re preaching and revelation I said yeah I said why would you do that it’s so weird it’s so irrelevant and I wish I could go back and find my friend and say what do you think about that now you know prophecies become more relevant as we go along and one of the reasons I believe it’s important for us to preach on it first of all it’s about a fourth of the Bible so if you decide you’re not gonna preach on prophecy you’re leaving out one-fourth of what God has said number two everybody has a fixation in their heart and spirit about the future yeah what is going to happen they know what the past is they’re dealing with what the present is but is there something better that I can look forward to that’s coming and the Word of God tells us there is one of the things I love most about the way you teach is you can take the most complicated subject and break it open in such a way that we all get it but I wonder with the study you’ve done how has it impacted your own personal life and spiritual journey well the Bible promises believe it or not in fact the book of Revelation is the only book in the Bible where we are told twice blessed are those who read this book if you want to be blessed you should read and study the book of Revelation because the Bible promises that if you do you will be blessed and I surely have I’ve learned so much about God’s sovereignty and his wonderful promise to us that he’s still in charge even though everything else looks like it’s going south on us the wonderful truth about prophecy is that it guarantees the integrity of the rest of the Bible for instance in the Old Testament there are over 300 prophecies about the first coming of Christ which we just recently celebrated at Christmastime is coming as a baby 300 prophecies about where he would be born what would happen to him as a child and all of us now we have the perspective of history to go back look at the prophecies and see where they were fulfilled in exactness without any mistake whatsoever now we have more than twice that many prophecies about the second coming of Christ so here’s the deal if he was accurate in the first coming will he not be so accurate in the second coming so when you study prophecy you get God’s blueprint of what’s going to happen in the future and you begin to see things like the re-emergence of Israel as a nation and the collection of nations in Europe and all of these things in it’s like you have a heads up on what’s going on the news is catching up with prophecy and that’s what happens when you when you study that does the Bible say that we should study prophecy yeah the Bible actually as I mentioned the book of Revelation tells us to read it and to study it and the Bible isn’t something we can cut and slice and say oh I like the narrative sections or I like the Old Testament the Bible is is a whole and and when you see it that way in the book of Revelation you have the fulfillment of everything that’s wrong in the book of Genesis you know and I could go through there’s like 30 or 40 of these things the book of Revelation is the ultimate fulfillment of God’s plan for this world and for his people and once you get once you kind of get the end in Revelation and you got the beginning in Genesis the rest of it just starts to make sense in all the years you’ve had as a faithful devoted pastor it’s a one question on prophecy that comes up more than any other or maybe one misconception about prophecy I think maybe one of the misunderstandings that I deal with more than anything else is the difference between the rapture and the second coming because the two events are totally different and they have totally different contexts so I remember a little girl who heard me preach on prophecy one time she her mother told me that she asked her this question she said mom I don’t get it dr.

 

Jeremiah says that when we die we go in the ground but then he says we go to heaven and then he said Jesus comes back and takes us and then he brings us back again she said can you help me with this so I think that’s maybe where the disconnect come and in the simple way to say that is this when Jesus comes back in the rapture it’s to take every Christian who’s still on this earth to heaven and resurrect all those who have died ahead of time and we all go to heaven and and then seven years tribulation is on this earth I happen to be of those people who does not believe the church will be in the tribulation for the Bible says there is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus I don’t know how that promise could ever be fulfilled if we’re gonna be in condemnation for 7 years at the end of the 7 years the Bible says Jesus comes back and those of us who went up come back in the book of Revelation the door to heaven is open twice once we go up and once when we come back and so if we understand that the rapture is when he comes for us and the second Advent is when we come back with him to settle the events on this earth then we can keep those two things straight that makes it pretty clear often you’ll queue people predicting this is gonna be the day and all sorts of people try and get their affairs in order or they run their credit cards up because they think I’m gonna be out of here have you ever been tempted to name a day and if not why not I suppose I’ve been tempted along the way to run a credit card up but never for that reason you know Isis you know here’s the thing if there’s any question about which there is an absolute definite answer you just ask it because the Bible says the Lord Jesus said no one knows the time of our Lord’s return except the father and when Jesus was on the earth he did not know he was the son of God the Angels don’t know so when people come and say well he’s coming back and we had a guy in California who was you know he kept prophesying that he was going to come back and then he did and he said well I got my research wrong I’m gonna try again well after the first time when he blew it you would think nobody would ever listen to him again but people get caught up in it and they go out and sit in a fence and put a sheet on and all this kind of stuff and the Bible does not tell us when he’s going to come back the bible does give us some indications of when we’re getting close and one of the verses I love is this one that says for now is your Redemption nearer than when you believed what we do know for sure is from the time you became a Christian in the time I became a Christian the coming of Christ is nearer than it was then it’s good and what we aren’t supposed to do is try to determine the time but to be ready whatever time it is okay so I want to give you a list I have formed a list of different prophetic terms that I’ve been questioned about and and I’m sure people watching this want to know so I’m just gonna throw these at you and see we have to say you’re ready touched on this a little bit the rapture why do some people believe that there’s not going to be a rapture that there’s just that Christ is just going to come back again well the only thing I can say to that is they don’t read their Bible I think it has meaning that the rapture is in in the book of Thessalonians and in 1st Corinthians 15 and you cannot read those passages with any kind of sense of is this the truth without coming away with this it’s in the Bible it is absolutely clear Paul said it was a new revelation that was not given to us in the Old Testament it’s one of those mysteries that God has unfolded for us and so I don’t know why people don’t believe it maybe sometimes they don’t want to believe it and there’s you know as there are certain forms of theology where they don’t want to believe it but it it’s true when my son was 10 years old and he first heard the word the rapture he wanted to know if there’d be time for us to grab the dogs what do you think you know I probably should have answered that question when you said how many what is the question you’re most asked a lot of people ask me what about pets you know and I’ve almost teased with my wife and so I think dogs are gonna make it but cats won’t kills me when I say that but here’s I that in an event one time and I man came up and he said I can prove to you that there will be animals in heaven and I said well how can you prove that he says because when Jesus comes back from heaven he’s riding on a white horse so we don’t know if cats are going to be there or dogs are gonna be but horses made it so you know that that’s just kind of a silly little thing but I don’t know all the details because they’re not revealed but that is a pretty interesting thing that he comes back on a white horse Wow okay let’s go for the tribulation what that’s going to be a period of of how long and what’s going to happen during the trip well the tribulations seven years divided into into two sections the first is kind of what the Bible refers to as the beginning of Sorrows it’s kind of the heating up of the caldron of pressure and what happens in the true relation is at the beginning the tribulation the Antichrist who’s the incarnation of Satan makes a covenant with Israel for seven years that they will be able to worship in their temple and all of that and at the end of three and a half years he breaks that covenant and when that happens all hell breaks loose on this earth and and you know all I can say is when I read that I’m so grateful that I’m not going to be here it will be worse than anything you could imagine the stories of what happens during that time and the cruelty the absolute you you see what happens in some of the regimes that are in our world today where where there’s no regard for human life they are like child’s play to what happens during that period of time and it’s it’s sometimes referred to as the time of Jacob’s trouble the time of Israel’s trouble and it’s it’s not a pretty big start time I’ve often wondered why when every believer suddenly disappears why doesn’t everyone else who’s left on earth realize and immediately repent you know that’s a very good question and I’ve heard a lot of different answers to that one that I think is really interesting is that some people believe that what will happen at that time is that people will be deluded into saying that the people who shouldn’t be here are now gone in other words not a rapture of the good people but the people who won’t contribute to society it’s almost like the progressive line will be blown into incredible proportions but also we read in the scripture that when this happens Satan will send a strong delusion into the minds of people’s hearts and and so they won’t be able to believe because they will be blinded by his deception okay what about the Antichrist what do we know about the Antichrist well one thing for sure is that we don’t know who he is even though a lot of Christians play pin the tail on the Antichrist you know and they try to figure out who he is we do not know anybody it says they know they can’t know but we know a lot about him he is the incarnation of Satan he is a man who has the oratorical ability of Adolf Hitler and and but all of the cruelty that goes along with it he’s the great deceiver he mimics everything that Jesus does anti doesn’t mean just against but it means instead of so he will present himself instead of Christ his whole regime is one of counterfeiting everything that Christ does and you can go through the career of the Antichrist he he doesn’t have an original thought all he does is try to counterfeit what the Lord does do you think it’s possible the Antichrist is on the earth at this moment certainly could be because he’s not revealed until he’s in his adulthood and so he that if it isn’t true now there will be a time when he’s on this earth as a as a child growing up and no one will know it until he is revealed okay the mark of the beast what is that well in the book of Revelation we’re told that during the Tribulation Period you have to take the mark of the beast in order to be able to survive this is the economic control program of the Antichrist in other words the mark of the beast is 666 and those who if you won’t bow down to the beast if you won’t bow down to the Antichrist and give him your worship and take the mark the Bible says you will not be able to buy or sell people who don’t take the mark will literally be starved out of existence they won’t be able to buy groceries they won’t be able to do business and the mark of the beast is is the way the Antichrist identifies his followers I’ve heard believers concerned and looking out for the mark of the beast but clearly if it’s in that time then we’re no longer here that’s right no we won’t be here if it the mark of the beast does not affect believers because again in my opinion we won’t be here scripture talks about a one-world government what can you tell us about that well globalism has been a big deal especially of late it seems like we’re swinging back a little bit to nationalism probably because of our current leadership but in the end there will be an attempt to unite the whole world so that this ruler will have he’ll have control of it all I want to tell you what I know Sheila God is not a globalist he’s a nationalist the Bible says he’s made nations according to the book of acts the nations were created so that we would trust God so that we wouldn’t get caught up in the and the globalism issue goes all the way back to the Tower of Babel when they had a language that was all the same and because they defied God the language was confused and ever since they’ve been trying to put this back together and ultimately in the end when the church is gone the world will be kind of under one leader and that will be globalism but it it’s certainly not anything we want to promote in this day and age know what about the Battle of Armageddon we’re in the line of things where does that take place it’s clear at the end of the tribulation it’s kind of the final scene in the tribulation one of the things that’s really interesting to me I’ve been to Israel several times and stood on the on the brow of a hill that looks out over the valley of disraeli ax where this is going to happen and most people say that this is the most perfect battleground in the world and on this day the forces of evil and the forces of good will have one final encounter and the Lord Jesus Christ will be victorious and you know all of the details of how the nations come together and first of all they come after Israel and then all of a sudden the Lord Jesus comes back and then all of them turn and come after the Lord and the Bible says he defeats them with the word of his mouth you know he goes I tell people he goes and it’s over and because of his power and the Bible says we come back with him as believers and some people say well we’re dressed in white those are not robes of warfare that’s true because we don’t do anything we’re just spectators we come back with the Lord Jesus we watch his victory over all of the forces against him and I think we cheer I’ll be cheering we don’t do anything he doesn’t need us so is the battle between spiritual forces is it between the angelic forces and the demonic forces or the people who are left on earth part of the battle well everybody on this earth is a part of it the nations are a part of it one when Jesus comes back it says he comes back with his holy angels so that that will be certainly a part of it – Wow the Millennium we’ve talked a lot when we turned into a new millennium that was a big deal but what is the period of the millennium in Biblical prophecy well actually the word milller means a thousand so the millennium is a thousand years and in the book of Revelation that is actually mentioned four or five times in one chapter the millennium is a thousand-year reign of peace and the Lord Jesus Christ will be king surprising to a lot of folks David will be his vice presidents around and will sit on the throne with him and they will rule the world in righteousness and in godliness and there will still be sin in the Millennium but it will be short-lived it will be dealt with immediately and when you read about the Millennium and how lifetime will be extended and the lion will lay down with the lamb and all of the hostilities that have been a part of our world will be they’ll be gone the Millennium is an incredible thing and you know what Dwight Pentecost one of my teachers told me there is more information in the Bible on the Millennium than any other period in all of scripture and it’s all it’s all tucked away in the Old Testament prophets where you wouldn’t necessarily go for it but then you start to think about it every time you turn around there’s something in the Bible about that period of time the second coming of Christ you said that sometimes people get confused about the rapture and the Second Coming being the same tell us what this is what we know about the second coming of Christ well it’s the climax of the Battle of Armageddon when the Lord Jesus comes back from heaven the Bible presents him as riding upon a white horse leading the holy angels and the Saints and they come and they do war against the evil that has been accumulated on this earth so this leads to the Battle of Armageddon it is the end of the paddle of armed again all of this leads up to the return of Christ and when he comes back he puts it into it pretty quickly here comes the Lord Jesus from heaven and people think they can fight against him and it’s it’s totally one-sided okay a new heaven and a new earth a lot of people want to know okay if I live in Fargo not will I be living in Fargo in the new heaven and the new earth well the Bible tells us that the earth as we know it now is going to be cleansed in the New Testament we’re told it’s going to burn up and the earth is cleansed but it isn’t destroyed the earth will be kind of a part of heaven and the new heaven and a new earth the city of heaven will descend down upon this earth and so I don’t know whether you’re gonna live in Fargo or not I can’t tell you the answer to that you know but I’m sure that the earth as we know it is not going to be destroyed but it is going to be purged and cleansed some of the things as you’ve said we’re not certain about but one thing is very specific and that’s this number 144,000 hmm tell us about that number well that represents there’s twelve tribes of Israel so what is twelve times twelve there you go and so these will be Jewish evangelists and often I would tell people you know I have so many friends who are Jewish people and I love these people and their their aggressiveness and and how they go after whatever they think they should go after can you imagine turning 144,000 Jewish evangelists loose on this earth and the Bible tells us that it will be the greatest revival ever in history people will come to Christ right and left and then added to that of course the two witnesses who are the two witnesses well what do we know I believe it’s Moses and Elijah Moses was the great former of the law Elijah was the great reformer of the law they represent the Old Testament and I believe that they will be the two witnesses on this earth to most beloved personages by the Jewish people and then of course some very miraculous things are going to happen to these guys that will literally grab hold of the hearts of people on this earth these Jewish evangelists is it just the children of Israel who’ll be coming back everyone I think I believe and there’s some discussion about that but I believe these evangelists will share the gospel wherever they go around the world with everybody and primarily Jewish people will come to Christ but the whole world will be exposed to the gospel in a way because of the innovation of these these people that I can’t imagine what that would be like if you have a hundred and forty-four thousand fervent evangelists on the earth at the same time as demonic evil do we know anything about how they will survive well well the enemy tried to take them out absolutely it’s war against them and as you know the the the witnesses are casualties in all of this and they may come back and so the Tribulation Period is a all-out combustion that’s all I can say of evil and then these witnesses and the two witnesses representing the faith and yet they continue to go even though they become martyrs for their faith Wow overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of their testimony you know some of the things you’ve talked about our glorious their days we just cannot wait for some of them are pretty terrifying what do you say to people who think you know what the whole thought of the end times is terrifying to me well we can’t be wimpy about this I mean the fact that we don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not true I mean I think a lot of people think well if I don’t believe it I can make it untrue you don’t get a chance to do that this is the truth of the word of God and it is absolutely going to happen so let’s get rid of that excuse I don’t like it so I’m not going to you know the other side of this is if you follow this all the way through to the end Sheila we win we know how this ends you know we we’ve read the last chapter and we know that God is victorious and so we don’t really have any thing to fear it’s kind of like my wife has this wonderful way of reading books she loves to read books and she loves mystery books and I remember one time I gave her a book and we were going on a trip and about a half hour into the trip I looked over and she’s reading the last chapter I said honey what are you doing you reading the last chapter she says well if you read the last chapter it helps you follow the plot and then I said something about it she says well you teach revelation don’t you and I said yeah and the revelation is like that you know what the last chapter is all about and when you know how it ends it helps you figure out how it works and that’s one of the blessings of that book can you see things already happening around us that are indications at the time we’re living in the greatest sign of the fact that we’re moving into this period of history is the return of Israel because none of the prophecies of the book of Revelation are very few of them could happen if Israel’s not in the land the fact that Israel has returned to her land and continues to be there and of course as you know we’ve just through we’ve just thrown our hat into the ring again by declaring that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel and there’s a whole new discussion of what’s happening in the one state versus two state and all but the fact that Israel is back in her land is a sit up and take notice to us about where we are then there are other things – I mentioned some of the realignment of nations in Europe because in the end times we know there’s a 10 nation coalition that will be on this earth I remember 30 years ago I went to Europe to speak at a missions conference and I had to stop at every border for the border patrol to get out of the Train and now you can go clear across Europe you don’t have to stop one time because it’s now the United States of Europe that is one of the things that’s prophesied in the scripture and there’s just many others that are all coming together now you know we talked about the mark of the beast earlier and all of the imprints and hands that know you that are becoming pretty common that make you realize well maybe that’s the the mark of the beast will work all of those things you just you can’t help but notice them what do you see as the next event on the prophetic timeline in calendar I believe the only one that we can be certain of is the rapture we know that’s going to happen some of the things that happen during the tribulation will begin abruptly after the rapture but some of those things will have been in process and then explode into greater reality after the church is gone so when you read the passage in Matthew that’s about the beginning of Sorrows and you read all of those signs that are a part of what’s going to happen in the early part of the tribulation you shouldn’t be surprised to start seeing some of those things here before the rapture happens because they won’t just not be here one day and the next day all of a sudden they’re here they will be on their way and though there are no signs for the rapture you can’t get away from the fact that there are signs for the second Advent and if you start seeing some of those now that means you’re seven years closer than you would have because the second Advent seven years after the rapture if some of the second Advent signs are now appearing we may be closer than we think so nothing has to happen prophetically before the wrap there are no signs for the rapture Wow is there any prophetic passage that has been particularly meaningful to you as a pastor one of the things that’s interesting about prophecy is while people say it’s not relevant almost every major prophetic passage in the Bible if you stay within the context like within two or three verses you will find a practical application from that and let me just give you a couple of examples you know one of the great passages pastors like to preach on is in Hebrews about going to church where it says and forsake not the assembling of yourselves together as the manner of some is but then it says as the day is approaching become more committed to your church so here’s this passage of scripture that talks about the coming of the Lord and in the midst of it it says one of the things that you need to be aware of you become aware of the coming of the Lord is the church is more important than you thought here’s another illustration this is a great passage this is one of my favorite passages John 14 1 to 6 Jesus is communicating to his disciples he’s about to go back to heaven and they don’t know what this is all about and Jesus said let not your hearts be troubled you believe in God believe also in me in my father’s house are many mansions if it were not so I would have told you I go to prepare a place for you and if I go to prepare a place for you I will come again and bring you to to heaven with me so that where I am there you might be also so what did Jesus say he said I know you’re worried about where I’m going but don’t be troubled you know if you know what you know you don’t have to be troubled you can live in this world and study prophecy and wherever you go in the prophetic passage you will find that what God wants you to know about that for instance in the first John passage it says therefore what manner of men should we be because of this I went to back up a little to what you said about church and the importance of because I get lots of emails and letters from young people who say you know what I really don’t really like my church very much and doesn’t really meet my needs and so I don’t really go to church I can love God from home I can do things online what would you say to that the only problem with that is that isn’t the church the church is the body of Christ gathered of the word Church actually is is a word which means out from the church are the people who call out from the world and they come together look at the New Testament they came together in huge groups so the whole thing about church she loved that it doesn’t meet my needs that’s pretty tired you know the church is not here to meet our needs the church is here to quip us so that we can be relevant in the world in which we live in the process of doing that we’ll get our needs met but I think that answer and that whole question is a part of the selfishness we’re dealing with in our culture today yeah I absolutely agree I mean Christ final prayer for us you know that we would be one that the world would know that has everyone some have said to me well obviously the rapture is a long way off because the church is not united on this on this earth what do you say to that well the unity of the church is not a precondition for the rapture the hope in heart of God is that the church will come together that we will be one even as he in the father are one but no place in the Bible does it ever say until the church is one the rapture can’t happen the rapture is going to happen when the Lord is ready for it to happen and ultimately in heaven will be one so how should we live in light of Christ’s coming I love this story I don’t know who told me this story but it’s great this one guy had worked in a factory and as soon as the buzzer went off to get out of work he was the first one out the door and he always had his lunch bucket and his coat and everything and when the buzzer went off he was out the door and so they asked him one day how is it that you’re always the first one out he said I’m ready and how are you more ready than anybody else and it was all southerner and he said I stays ready to keep from getting ready so what he meant was I don’t have to get ready I am ready and I think what we should always do is we should watch we should work and we should wait and when we do those three things we won’t be in left field when the Lord comes back I know it’s really hard to keep this on horizon I’ve read stories about pastors who every night before they’d go to bed they’d kind of go to the window and say Lord maybe tonight get up in the morning and say Lord maybe today I don’t know that I can ever do that that seems kind of like unnatural to me but what I can do is try to live my life and try to teach the people that I have the privilege of influencing to live our lives in such a way that if the Lord should come back tomorrow we won’t be embarrassed you know that we want that the Lord won’t catch us doing something we shouldn’t be doing so I love that man’s statement I wants to stay ready so I can keep from getting ready I know how much work and preparation you and your team pour in to anything you do as we prepare for this new eight-week teaching series what do you what’s your prayer what do you hope happens in the minds and hearts of those who are able to to watch this well I first of all I hope they can catch the passion that we have for it you know I’m so blessed to be here with a group of primarily young people their whole heart is this if it’s for God it’s got to be the best we got I love that the excellence that we bring to this is not we’re not in a contest with anybody we want to bring to the table everything we have I want to do that every time I speak every time I preach every time I write a book it won’t always be the best but it would always be my goal for it to be the best we believe that we have a God who is excellent and he deserves the best we have so I pray that during this series people will catch our passion for this they will get excited about the truth that we present that there will be many who will say you know what the Spirit is quickening my heart to believe this and I’m not ready if Jesus should come back today and they will get ready people who don’t know Jesus Christ will come to receive Jesus Christ and people who are Christians who aren’t living the way they should will be convicted to begin to live a life that won’t embarrass them if the Lord should catch them in the middle of it I imagine so many people who think oh gosh what I would give to sit down with dr.

 

Jeremiah so just let’s imagine we allow that to happen it’s if somebody was sitting down with you right now in light of everything that we’ve discussed what would you say to them want ask some questions I would ask them if the Lord Jesus Christ should come tonight if the trumpet should sound and the Lord should come and catch up all of those who put their trust in him would you be in that group in other words are you ready to see Jesus Christ if he comes back because if you’re not this is a great time to do to get ready to receive him as your Lord and Savior the Bible says that Almighty God loved this world so much that he sent his own son to this earth who went to the cross and paid the penalty for our sin the penalty we deserved the Bible says the wages of sin is death somebody had to die and Almighty God sent his son here he was God living in a body and as the son of God he went to the cross and because his life was Infinite his death is infinite and his death was equal to the death of everyone who would ever be on this earth they would put their trust in him and what that means is one day in my life I I came to God in prayer and I said God I know if you were if Jesus were to come today I wouldn’t be ready I want to receive Jesus Christ as my savior and accept what he did in the cross so that I can become a part of your forever family I became a Christian that day and everything in my life changed and I’ve watched and witnessed that happening to thousands of people I get letters from all over the world from people to say I now believe in Jesus Christ and I’m ready if Jesus comes today so more than anything else I’m praying that this series will open the eyes of people to the reality of who Jesus is that he has a wonderful plan for our lives that includes eternity with the father I’ve been so impressed recently of the many verses in the Bible work where Jesus says that he wants us to be with him over and over and I never saw that before Almighty God wants us to be with him I read somebody said if you God had a refrigerator your picture would be on it you know and I believe that with all my heart God loves us and God is for us and he wants more than anything else you know for us to be with him forever and he’s laid out the plan so that we nobody needs to be left out no matter what we’ve done or how far we may feel like we are away from God Almighty God loves us so much that he’s made the way for us so that we can go to heaven and spend eternity with him I hope that’s the message that comes through not to jeremiah everywhere I travel around the country I hear people tell me how much your life the work that you have poured yourself into has touched and change their lives so I just want to be one voice to say thank you you’re welcome she’s like it’s I I am more convinced than ever before of the great joy that is mine I couldn’t ask for anything that’s more of a privilege than I have to be a voice for God in this world and I hope I get to do it for a long time would you pray for us father thank you for your love for us as we’ve talked tonight about your plan which is so much more intricate than we would ever be able to capture in an interview we do see that you have always loved us and that you have a plan that includes us and that more than anything else you want to see us be with you forever and I pray that as this interview is shared in whatever place in whatever way your love for us will come through in such a way that people will be drawn to that love and captured by your incredible desire for us to know you lord I pray that you will bless the words that Sheila and I have shared tonight with your blessing may the Spirit of God fill every word with his presence and may we hear in the future of many whose lives have been changed because we have bragged on God tonight can Jesus name came out dr.

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